neilbrink Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 I have a client who bought an energy efficient water heater in 2006. I can find only one small reference in the instructions to whether it qualifies for the credit. *Certain electric heat pump water heaters; electric heats pumps; geothermal heat pumps; central air conditioners; and natural gas, proprane, or oil water heaters.* The form itself (Line 5 makes no reference to it? Has anyone had a case like this and how did you treat it? Thanks. Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janitor Bob Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 I have a client who bought an energy efficient water heater in 2006. I can find only one small reference in the instructions to whether it qualifies for the credit. *Certain electric heat pump water heaters; electric heats pumps; geothermal heat pumps; central air conditioners; and natural gas, proprane, or oil water heaters.* The form itself (Line 5 makes no reference to it? Has anyone had a case like this and how did you treat it? Thanks. Neil It would be a hot water boiler....so 5695, Line 5b...limit of $150.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Eckerman Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 It would be a hot water boiler....so 5695, Line 5b...limit of $150.00 MANUFACTURERS receive a credit - but notindividuals on hot water heaters or energy efficient appliances - I have fielded a few requests myself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janitor Bob Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 MANUFACTURERS receive a credit - but notindividuals on hot water heaters or energy efficient appliances - I have fielded a few requests myself... I do not agree....If Homowner buys hot water heater it goes on 5695 Line 5b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Eckerman Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 I do not agree....If Homowner buys hot water heater it goes on 5695 Line 5b ASK THE SELLER - a hot water heater for heating water is different than a heating system using a hot water boiler, hot water is circulated thru pipes or registers or infloor tubing... I have a brother in refrig/heating . And with outdoor wood system - they are expensive but they do not qualify as they are less than 92% efficiency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janitor Bob Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 ASK THE SELLER - a hot water heater for heating water is different than a heating system using a hot water boiler, hot water is circulated thru pipes or registers or infloor tubing... I have a brother in refrig/heating . And with outdoor wood system - they are expensive but they do not qualify as they are less than 92% efficiency .....I see your point....I was basing my opinion on this being a hot water-based heating system.....not just a stand-alone hot water heater.....I can see where this hot water heater might not qualify for the homeowner. If person's home was heated with a high-efficience hot -water heating system, I feel that would go on 5695 Line 5b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgmea Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Water heaters used to just heat water for residential hot water useage use go on line 5a. But, the instructions for line 5a include; "A natural gas, propane, or oil water heater that has an energy factor of at least 0.80." The key is the requirement for at least a .80 energy factor. This generally requires an "on demand tankless water heater" to get to a .80 or above energy factor. The energy factor of the water heater is on the energy star sticker on the water heater, or it is available on the manufacturers web site. All of the tank type high efficiency water heaters my clients have purchased have fallen short of the .80 energy factor. There may be a tank type water heater that has a .80 or higher energy factor out there, but it would be a rare bird. A hot water heater used as part of a hot water heating system could conceiveably go on line 5b. The problem would be the requirement for an "annual fuel utilization efficiency rate of at least 95." Water heaters are not marked with "annual fuel utilization efficiency ratings", they are marked with an "energy factor". Even if you assumed these energy ratings were the same, good luck trying to find a hot water heater with at least a 95 rating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janitor Bob Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Water heaters used to just heat water for residential hot water useage use go on line 5a. But, the instructions for line 5a include; "A natural gas, propane, or oil water heater that has an energy factor of at least 0.80." The key is the requirement for at least a .80 energy factor. This generally requires an "on demand tankless water heater" to get to a .80 or above energy factor. The energy factor of the water heater is on the energy star sticker on the water heater, or it is available on the manufacturers web site. All of the tank type high efficiency water heaters my clients have purchased have fallen short of the .80 energy factor. There may be a tank type water heater that has a .80 or higher energy factor out there, but it would be a rare bird. A hot water heater used as part of a hot water heating system could conceiveably go on line 5b. The problem would be the requirement for an "annual fuel utilization efficiency rate of at least 95." Water heaters are not marked with "annual fuel utilization efficiency ratings", they are marked with an "energy factor". Even if you assumed these energy ratings were the same, good luck trying to find a hot water heater with at least a 95 rating. Thanks mgmea and D Eckerman...I am smarter for having read your posts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booger Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Thanks, JB for letting me know about this new forum. Have you told Single Dad yet? Booger (Mike) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcb39 Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 I put it on line 5 for the ones that I had.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janitor Bob Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Thanks, JB for letting me know about this new forum. Have you told Single Dad yet? Booger (Mike) I did send Single Dad the same e-mail I sent you...So when he ever gets time to read his e-mail, he should find us here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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