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  1. Several of us have had ti occasionally. Usually near the end of a busy day, when the computer has been in heavy use. Rebooting always fixes it. Sometimes just shutting the program then reopening it fixes it. I don't think it is a program problem, per se, but more a Windows issue. Seems to only occur when there have been lots of opening and closing of programs, email, etc.
  2. So there may be a clear benefit in not treating them as res rental, even if you had that option, which I don't think you do. You do need to inventory the F&F, etc, tho, so that you can take the shorter depreciation on those items. Don't forget to report that 'barter' income, too. But if it's a 'working visit' where you are doing some of that inventory, etc, be sure to use the wholesale rate for the barter, not the full price rate.
  3. I expect what he meant was that good accounting advice can make a huge difference, ASSUMING the client actually follows it. Therein lies the problem though. We all know how often clients listen to us, then go out and do only the parts of our advice that they like, but omit the parts they don't. Then cry when we have to explain that because they did not do ALL of it, in the right order, they did not in fact get the tax advantage we had discussed.
  4. No change, really.
  5. I would use the 8825 and just put the 'general expenses on the 1065, if you want to track the expenses by unit. Otherwise, given that this sounds like it is more like running a motel than a rental business, I would agree that the 8825 would not be needed. But the depreciation would be 'commercial', not res rental, so it's 39 years. Other advantage, tho, is that the §179 limitation for res rental property would not apply to the other business assets, including furniture and fixtures, mowers, appliances, etc.
  6. They already have, Bill. What more are you wanting?
  7. And, of course, the nicest 'tip' of all is a glowing referral that brings you a good new client. Each one of those will allow the young practice to grow, and the mature practice to file another PITA in favor of the new client.
  8. :bday: to one of my favorite people on this board. Hope you have many, many more.
  9. It comes with the TTO package, but I would not actually pay extra for it, because it has some strange quirks you have to look out for. For example, if you 'print' your preparer copy to the PDF button, and you have Doc Manager installed, it prints to that. Makes the files [directory tree] automatically, which is nice. BUT if you then change something, and go to re-save the return, watch out. If you just replace that first copy, as is a normal thing to do, you end up with an empty file. It's there, but all you have in it are blank pages. You have to delete the old copy, or else modify the name of the new one, to get a good copy. Highly irritating IMHO.
  10. I was referring to what is called the "tacit consent doctrine", Jainen. Whether or not a valid joint return has been filed depends upon a determination of the intent of the taxpayer. Heim v. Commissioner, 251 F.2d 44, 46 (8th Cir. 1958). There can be a binding joint return even though one of the spouses failed to sign the return. Kann v. Commissioner, 3 Cir., 210 F.2d 247, 251; Howell v. Commissioner, 6 Cir., 175 F.2d 240, 241; Lane v. Commissioner, 26 T.C. 405, 408; Stone v. Commissioner, 22 T.C. 893, 901 and Carroro v. Commissioner, 29 B.T.A. 646, 650 (1933). Also see Walsh v. United States, KTC 1985-208 (D.Minn. 1985) for another discussion of it, as the courts have applied it.
  11. Actually, it might even make sense to treat the daughter as the 'manager', with her room provided as tax exempt income to her for her services managing and caring for the property, interviewing new tenants, collecting rent, paying bills, etc. Then no problem with the B&B rules, either. Of course, this assumes that the daughter is actually doing those things, and that no doubt varies from person to person. I don't agree that you could just remove the common areas from the equation, because there are too many cites that conradict that option.
  12. Well said. Payroll records are probably one of the main things where a paper copy is still, IMHO, a necessity.
  13. I usually do, in such situations, encourage the child to pay fair rental value, then the entire house is rental property. It is perfectly legal, as long as the parents follow through on the details. And buying such a house is often the start of people making some nice money out of getting into rental property. The second most common route into RE investing, after renting out their own former residence. After all, you get some tax deductions up front, then a LTCG when you sell, and this is often the only 'tax-related' investment that many people ever make.
  14. A really really to you, Brian. We've missed you on here, by the way.
  15. Sure there is a profit motive. Many rental properties take years to reach a positive CASHFLOW but are still good business investments. Stop looking just at the cash flow and consider the whole picture. The appreciation in value of the property is also part of that picture, and even if there is a current temporary downturn in real estate, that is not going to last long. Treat it as a rental, IMO, at 75% There are examples in the IRS Pub that should help you.
  16. Part III Administrative, Procedural, and Miscellaneous 26 CFR 601.105: Examination of returns and claims for refund, credit or abatement; determination of correct tax liability. (Also Part I, §§ 172, 6411) Rev. Proc. 2009-26 SECTION 1. PURPOSE .01 In February 2009, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Tax Act of 2009, Div. B of Pub. L. No. 111-5, 123 Stat. 115 (the Act) was signed into law. Section 1211 of the Act allows an eligible small business (ESB) to elect to carry back a 2008 net operating loss (NOL) for a period of 3, 4, or 5 years to offset taxable income in those preceding taxable years. Prior to the Act, taxpayers generally could carry back an NOL only two taxable years. On March 16, 2009, the Internal Revenue Service and Treasury Department issued Rev. Proc. 2009-19, 2009-14 I.R.B. 747, advising taxpayers how to elect the 3-, 4-, or 5-year carryback. .02 The Service has received many claims from taxpayers that seek a 3-,4-, or 5-year carryback but that inadvertently have not made a valid election in accordance with Rev. Proc. 2009-19. These inadvertent failures may be due to the fact that the enactment of § 1211 and issuance of Rev. Proc. 2009-19 occurred midway through the current tax return filing season. .03 To provide certainty to taxpayers and to implement the intent of Congress in providing an extended carryback period, this revenue procedure modifies Rev. Proc. 2009-19 to provide that an ESB may elect a 3-, 4-, or 5-year carryback period simply by filing a Form 1045, Form 1139, or amended return that carries back the NOL for 3, 4, or 5 years. Although Forms 1045 and 1139 ordinarily are due within 12 months after the taxable year of the NOL, § 172((1)(H)(iii) requires that the taxpayer elect a 3-, 4-, or 5-year carryback within 6 months after the due date (excluding extensions) of the return for the taxable year of the NOL. Thus, a taxpayer that seeks to make a timely § 172((1)(H) election using Form 1045, Form 1139, or an amended return must file the form in advance of its ordinary due date. .04 This revenue procedure also prescribes: (1) how a taxpayer elects a 3-, 4-, or 5-year carryback if the taxpayer previously filed an election to forgo an NOL carryback period; and (2) how a taxpayer elects a 3-, 4-, or 5-year carryback if the taxpayer is a partner of an ESB that is a partnership, a shareholder of an ESB that is an S corporation, or a sole proprietor. SECTION 2. BACKGROUND .01 Section 172(a) allows a deduction equal to the aggregate of the NOL carryovers and carrybacks to the taxable year. Section 172((1)(A)(i) provides that an NOL for any taxable year generally must be carried back to each of the 2 years preceding the taxable year of the NOL. Section 172((3) provides that any taxpayer entitled to a carryback period under §172((1) may make an irrevocable election to relinquish the carryback period with respect to an NOL for any taxable year. .02 Section 6411(a) provides that a taxpayer may file an application for a tentative carryback adjustment of the tax for the prior taxable year affected by an NOL carryback from any taxable year. Section 6411(a) also provides that the application must be filed on or after the date of filing for the return for the taxable year of the NOL from which the carryback results and within a period of 12 months after that taxable year or, with respect to any portion of a business credit carryback attributable to an NOL from a subsequent taxable year, within a period of 12 months from the end of the subsequent taxable year. Section 6411( provides a 90-day period during which the Service will make a limited examination of the application to discover omissions and errors of computation and determine the amount of the decrease in tax attributable to the carryback. The Service may disallow, without further action, any application that contains errors of computation that cannot be corrected within the 90-day period or that contains material omissions. The decrease in tax attributable to the carryback will be applied against unpaid amounts of tax. Any remainder of the decrease will, within the 90-day period, be credited or refunded. .03 Section 172((1)(H) permits an ESB to carry back its applicable 2008 NOL to 3, 4, or 5 years preceding the taxable year of the NOL, as the ESB elects. .04 Section 172((1)(H)(iv) provides that the term “eligible small business” has the meaning given by § 172((1)(F)(iii), except that § 448© is applied by substituting “$15 million” for “$5 million” each place it appears. Section 172((1)(F)(iii) provides that a small business is a corporation or partnership that meets the gross receipts test of § 448© for the taxable year in which the loss arose (or in the case of a sole proprietorship, that would meet such test if the proprietorship were a corporation). .05 Section 448 generally prohibits certain taxpayers from using the cash receipts and disbursements method of ccounting. Section 448((3) provides an exception to this requirement in the case of any corporation or partnership if, for all prior taxable years beginning after December 31, 1985, the entity (or any predecessor) met the $5 million gross receipts test of § 448©. Section 448©(1) provides that a corporation or partnership meets the $5 million gross receipts test for any prior taxable year if the average annual gross receipts of the entity for the 3-taxable-year period ending with that prior taxable year does not exceed $5 million. Section 448©(2) (aggregation rules) generally provides that all persons treated as a single employer under subsection (a) or ( of § 52 or subsection (m) or (o) of § 414 are treated as one person for purposes of § 448©(1). .06 The $5 million gross receipts test of § 448© is applied to a taxpayer’s prior taxable year by determining the average annual gross receipts for the 3-year period that ends with that prior taxable year. Under §172((1)(F)(iii), in order to be a small business, a taxpayer must meet the gross receipts test of § 448© for the taxable year in which the NOL arose. Consequently, to determine if a taxpayer is a small business for purposes of § 172((1)(F)(iii), the taxable year in which the NOL arose is the last taxable year of the 3-year period to which the test is applied. .07 Section 172((1)(H)(ii)(I) provides that the term “applicable 2008 net operating loss” means the taxpayer’s NOL for any taxable year ending in 2008. However, under § 172((1)(H)(ii)(II), the taxpayer may elect instead to have the term mean the taxpayer’s NOL for any taxable year beginning in 2008. .08 Section 172((1)(H)(iii) provides that any election under §172((1)(H) is required to be made in such a manner as may be prescribed by the Secretary, and must be made by the due date (including extension of time) for filing the taxpayer’s return for the taxable year of the NOL. The election is irrevocable and may be made only for one taxable year. .09 Section 1211(d)(2) of the Act provides that in the case of an applicable 2008 NOL for a taxable year ending before the date of enactment of the Act (February 17, 2009), (A) a previous election made under §172((3) for the NOL may be evoked on or before April 17, 2009; ( the §172((1)(H) election for the NOL is treated as timely if made on or before April 17, 2009; and © an application under § 6411(a) with respect to the NOL is treated as timely if filed on or before April 17, 2009. SECTION 3. SCOPE This revenue procedure applies to any taxpayer that is an ESB, a partner of a partnership that is an ESB, a shareholder in an S corporation that is an ESB, or a sole proprietor of a business that is an ESB, and that incurred an NOL for any taxable year ending in 2008 or beginning in 2008. SECTION 4. APPLICATION .01 Time and manner of making the election under § 172((1)(H). (1) In general. A taxpayer within the scope of this revenue procedure that has an applicable 2008 NOL may make the election under §172((1)(H) by following the procedure described in either section 4.01(2) or section 4.01(3) of this revenue procedure. (2) Electing on original return. A taxpayer may make the election under §172((1)(H) by attaching a statement to the taxpayer’s timely filed federal income tax return for the taxable year in which the applicable 2008 NOL arises. The statement must state that the taxpayer is electing to apply §172((1)(H) and specify the length of the NOL carryback period elected by the taxpayer (3, 4, or 5 years). If the taxpayer’s taxable year of the applicable 2008 NOL ends before February 17, 2009, the taxpayer must make the election on or before the later of the due date (including extensions of time) of the taxpayer’s return for that taxable year or April 17, 2009. (3) Electing on an appropriate form. A taxpayer that did not make the election under § 172((1)(H) using the procedures of section 4.01(2) of this revenue procedure, and did not elect to forgo the NOL carryback period under § 172((3), may make the election under § 172((1)(H) as follows: (a) What to file. (i) A taxpayer may make the election under §172((1)(H) by filing the appropriate form applying the NOL carryback period chosen by the taxpayer. No statement or label is required with the appropriate form. The appropriate form is: (A) For corporations: Form 1139, Corporation Application for Tentative Refund, or Form 1120X, Amended U.S. Corporation Income Tax Return. ( For individuals: Form 1045, Application for Tentative Refund, or Form 1040X, Amended U.S. Individual Income Tax Return. © For estates or trusts: Form 1045, or amended Form 1041, U.S. Income Tax Return for Estates and Trusts. (ii) A taxpayer that makes the election under §172((1)(H) by filing an amended return must file the return for the earliest taxable year to which the taxpayer is carrying back the applicable 2008 NOL. The taxpayer should not file an amended return for the applicable 2008 NOL taxable year. ( When to file. The appropriate form must be filed on or before the later of the date that is 6 months after the due date (excluding extensions) for filing the taxpayer’s return for the taxable year of the applicable 2008 NOL or April 17, 2009. © Additional rules. If a taxpayer makes the election by filing an appropriate form that amends a prior refund claim, the amendment also will apply to a carryback of any alternative tax NOL for the same taxable year. In the case of an amended application for a tentative carryback adjustment, the 90-day period described in § 6411( will begin on the date the amended application is filed. .02 Revocation of the election to waive NOL carryback period. A taxpayer within the scope of this revenue procedure that previously elected under § 172((3) to forgo the carryback period for an applicable 2008 NOL for a taxable year ending before February 17, 2009, may revoke that election and make the election under § 172((1)(H). Any revocation of the election to forgo the NOL carryback period also will apply to a carryback of any alternative tax NOL for the same taxable year. The taxpayer makes the revocation and election by following the procedures of section 4.01(3) of this revenue procedure. In addition, the taxpayer should type or print across the top of the appropriate form “Revocation of NOL Carryback Waiver Pursuant to Rev. Proc. 2009-19.” The taxpayer must file the revocation and new election under § 172((1)(H) on or before April 17, 2009. .03 Partnerships, S corporations, and sole proprietorships. (1) If the taxpayer is a partner in a partnership that qualifies as an ESB, the taxpayer may make the § 172((1)(H) election for its distributive share of the qualifying ESB partnership income, gain, loss, and deduction that is both allocable to the taxpayer under § 704 and allowed in calculating the taxpayer’s applicable 2008 NOL. (2) If the taxpayer is a shareholder in an S corporation that qualifies as an ESB, the taxpayer may make the § 172((1)(H) election for its pro rata share of the qualifying ESB S corporation income, gain, loss, and deduction under § 1366 that is allowed in calculating the shareholder’s applicable 2008 NOL. (3) If the taxpayer is an owner of a sole proprietorship that qualifies as an ESB, the taxpayer may make the § 172((1)(H) election for the qualifying ESB sole proprietorship income, gain, loss, and deduction that is allowed in calculating the taxpayer’s applicable 2008 NOL. (4) In determining whether a partnership, S corporation, or sole proprietorship qualifies as an ESB, the gross receipts test applies at the partnership, corporate, or sole proprietorship level. The aggregation rules of § 448©(2) apply to determine whether the partnership, S corporation, or sole proprietorship meets the gross receipts test of § 448©. (5) The amount of the taxpayer’s applicable 2008 NOL that the taxpayer may carry back under §172((1)(H) is limited to the lesser of: (a) The taxpayer’s items of income, gain, loss or deduction that are allowed in calculating the taxpayer's applicable 2008 NOL and are from one or more partnerships, S corporations or sole proprietorships that qualify as ESBs, or ( The taxpayer’s applicable 2008 NOL. (6) Examples. (a) Example 1. Partnerships A, B, and C have average annual gross receipts of $10 million, $12 million, and $14 million, respectively. Partner T owns a 40% interest in each partnership. None of the partnerships is required to be aggregated with any other entity for purposes of the aggregation rules of § 448©(2). Subject to the limitations in section 4.03(5) of this revenue procedure, Partner T may apply its election under §172((1)(H) to the portion of its applicable 2008 NOL attributable to its distributive share of the income, gain, loss, and deduction of each of Partnerships A, B, and C. ( Example 2. The facts are the same as in Example 1, except that Partnerships A and B are under common control within the meaning of § 52((1). Accordingly, Partnerships A and B are treated as one person under the aggregation rules of § 448©(2). Because the aggregated average annual gross receipts of Partnerships A and B exceed $15 million, Partnerships A and B do not qualify as ESBs. Partner T may not apply its election under § 172((1)(H) to the portion of its applicable 2008 NOL attributable to its distributive share of the income, gain, loss, and deduction of Partnerships A and B. However, subject to the limitations in section 4.03(5) of this revenue procedure, Partner T may apply its election under § 172((1)(H) to the portion of its applicable 2008 NOL attributable to its distributive share of income, gain, loss, and deduction of Partnership C. SECTION 5. EFFECT ON OTHER DOCUMENTS Rev. Proc. 2009-19 is modified and, as modified, is superseded. SECTION 6. EFFECTIVE DATE This revenue procedure is effective for NOLs arising in taxable years ending after December 31, 2007. DRAFTING INFORMATION The principal author of this revenue procedure is Seoyeon Park of the Office of the Associate Chief Counsel (Income Tax and Accounting). For further information regarding this notice, contact Ms. Park at (202) 622-4960 (not a toll-free call).
  17. kcjenkins

    1099-C

    We all need that from time to time. Besides, no matter how knowledgeable we may be, sometimes we just overlook a detail, which, given the incredible complexity of the current tax code, makes the 'logical' answer the wrong one. I'm sure not perfect, nor do I know anyone else who is. [Although Ralph Weintraub comes darn close.]
  18. According to Braeden, TRX has a five year contract with CCH at this time. So it seems likely that whatever happens with the various programs, TRX will have some product to deliver for the next five years.
  19. And a from me, as well.
  20. kcjenkins

    1099-C

    Yes.
  21. Mike, have you never used the 'Start Link' 'Finish Link' button to link two fields? It's extemely simple. Go to the filed you want to link, click on the little 'chain' icon above, and then go to the filed you want the data to flow to, and click it again. That's it.
  22. Ditto.
  23. Well, Terry, they were not offering ATX before, just TaxWise, which is why most of us were not interested before. But now that they are offering our program, I sure am. And I don't think I'm worried about how CCH will react, because they would not be selling it to TRX if they cared about losing a few current customers to them. As I said elsewhere, it's marginal cost to them.
  24. Listen to Bill. And Jainen. They are both right. In fact, this potential tarbaby, er, client, does not make sense. Ir might make sense that he was 'signing her name right and left' IF he had filed MFJ. But he would not have needed to sign her name to file MFS. Also, if he was the one who was paying the bills, it is not unfair that he took the deductions for what he paid. Whether she was living in the house has nothing at all to do with it. It is who paid the deductible expense, unless they both agree to split them. And unless he agrees, there will be no MFJ amendment. No competent Judge would order it, because it's not something within their power. And what kind of 'businessperson' just 'assumes' that her taxes were filed, without even seeing the return, much less signing it. BTW, it is legal, under IRS rules, for a spouse to sign for the other spouse, if that spouse is agreeable to it. But to answer the other question, the IRS would probably look at auditing these amended returns, simply because of the facts involved. First, a higher number of returns are audited when divorce is an issue. Then. you have a non-filer for 4 years suddenly filing, and that by itself can trigger an audit, because she owes for each of these years, and in such circumstances, the IRS knows that the filer often did not file because they owed, so when they finally do file, they often fudge the numbers. At least, that is the result that often appears when they are audited. So if you take it on, you want to do it it more carefully than normal. You want to see the records, not just take her 'list' at face value. You want, at a minimum, to compare her cash flow to her reported income.
  25. :bday:
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