NT Windows 11

[Corduroy Frog]

A Microsoft update appeared as necessary for me to schedule.  It did not announce that the update was to change from Windows 10 to Windows 11.

I didn't want Windows 11 and all the garbage that Microsoft wanted me to have that comes with it, not to mention the change in navigation.  Is there any way to get Windows 10 back?

Thanks in advance for advice. 

[mcb39]

I wasn't aware that an update to Windows 11 was even a possibility.  My tech guru was just here last week.

[Lee B]

If you are comfortable doing this and everything is backed up?

Go to "View Update History" where you will have an option to "uninstall updates" where you can choose which updates to uninstall.

[Lee B]

1 hour ago, Lee B said:

If you are comfortable doing this and everything is backed up?

Go to "View Update History" where you will have an option to "uninstall updates" where you can choose which updates to uninstall.

This is how you uninstall a normal Windows update. I don't know if this will work in your situation?

[Abby Normal]

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/downgrade-from-windows-11-to-windows-10/84a2416d-ccfb-4d87-9eee-e1056591e91f

After upgrade to Windows 11, if you realize that your system is not working correctly, or some of the crucial features you need are not working as expected, and troubleshooting didn’t helped you, you might want to go back to Windows 10.

You can only downgrade to Windows 10 within the 10 days of your upgrade.

[Lion EA]

AI Overview

Here's how to find the version of Windows you have:

Click the Windows Start menu

Select Settings (the cog icon)

Select System

Select About

You'll see the edition and what version of Windows you have 

Generative AI is experimental.

[Corduroy Frog]

Thanks to all who responded.  I was able to recover Windows 10 in about 15 minutes once I figured out how to do it.  Abby, the information in the link was really great - step by step for someone not very good at I T stuff.

[Abby Normal]

Congrats! It's a shame Microsoft was so tricky in getting you to "upgrade." My new computer came with 11 and it's annoying and took me awhile to tame, but it works and seems to be getting better with each update. But the average user wouldn't want to have to deal with taming a new OS.

[Pacun]

If no issues were present, I would never revert back to an old OS. 

  Welcome the new OS and your computer and clients' data will be more secured.  I have been using windows 11 for a couple (or more years) and no issues whatsoever.  I remember when some people refused to efile or move from windows 95 to XP. 

[Randall]

So far I've been warned that it is an upgrade to Win11.  I don't like to upgrade OS on an existing computer.  I want to get a new computer soon but I keep hearing that Win12 is coming.  I thought later this year (2024) but now I'm seeing that it won't be until next year, probably fall 2025.

[Medlin Software, Dennis]

Effectively a new revision of Win is coming next month when the copilot+ computers are released. While not a number change (11 to 12), it has big internal changes. 

If you are an intel person, then buying a new machine now is fine (I just got a new dual screen laptop). If you are open to ARM, then pre order a new copilot+ computer is good now (I preordered the surface tablet style as I need to test the new emulation functions for ARM based computers).

In the fall, general release of the next edition of Win is expected (if not earlier), and it, to me, is not something I would wait for as far as getting a new machine, nor would I fear installing the new edition on a W11 computer.

At this point, your computer should be capable of running W11 (with the TPM), or you are lacking in security options.

There is some reasonable notion the numbering scheme is going away, and they will just have Windows, with release info, such as 24H or whatever. MS has realized there is little reason to get new machines unless there is a machine improvement, so they are diving in deep, maybe betting their future, on the ARM/AI fork, as it will require new machines. If the ARM/AI functions are as good as reviewed 5/20, computing has made a huge leap forward on several fronts (without losing the still and maybe forever needed ability to use W32 apps). And really, if the specs are as published, this will put Mac's further in the minority.

[Lee B]

The latest statistics show the number of Win 10 users has actually increased a bit to over 70 % of all Windows OS systems.

Apparently, there are now a number of refurbished Win 10 systems being sold due to the increased number of dissatisfied Win 11 users.

 

[Medlin Software, Dennis]

If you are intel only, and are interested in the Copilot+ functions, then waiting until the next intel chip is released is a wise move. I suspect the emulation added to the ARM chips, and in Windows itself, will make the intel/ARM moot, if not now, very shortly. The performance hit of the emulation is more than covered by the faster specs of the current ARM.

[BulldogTom]

Can I ask some dumb questions?

I have heard about ARM chips/motherboards, but I thought they were only for advanced applications (Data Centers, cloud computing on large systems).   Are they coming to desktops and laptops?

What is co-pilot and why would I want it?

Tom
Longview, TX 

[Lee B]

Co Pilot is Microsoft's AI and it will become an integral part of MS and Windows computers.

[BulldogTom]

5 minutes ago, Lee B said:

Co Pilot is Microsoft's AI and it will become an integral part of MS and Windows computers.

Will it affect our ATX software in any way?  Or is that still to be determined?

Tom
Longview, TX

[Abby Normal]

I'm running ATX on Win11 now and it's fine.

[Medlin Software, Dennis]

Tom,  ARM is a different architecture. Just like PC is different than Mac. For an app to be "native", it has to be written for the particular architecture. MS tried having ARM based computers able to also run apps for x86 (intel/AMD) already, and it was, to me, a bust. This new iteration seems to be a game changer. The ARM chip and Windows will handle the x86 software through emulation, without taking a huge performance hit. The early tests compare the performance well. Native ARM apps will be faster but for most of us, we won't see anything different as we are all limited by our fingers, displays, drive speed, and as we age, comprehension speed.

From what was disclosed Monday, the new Windows/ARM/CoPilot+ machines should be able to run most current PC apps without any special action (as the current PC computers, all 64 bit, have emulation to run all the 32 bit software still heavily in use).

I should get the new surface the day of or day after public release. I will test my own app and see how it works. Comparing to the state of the art intel core ultra chip. I expect them to be close enough I can use either. The bene of the ARM is heat and power issues are dramatically less. Also the processing speed should be better (when using ARM apps) or at least the same (when using x86 apps).

For the prior ARM emulation, I did not bother even testing it as the reports were not good.

Intel has a new chip in the works which should compete with the ARM, but I have seen nothing mentioning if they can resolve power and heat issues. (For example, there is usually no reason to buy the best intel chip in a laptop, as most laptops cannot provide enough cooling and have to heat limit the processor either on the fly, or via hardware settings.)

Intel got the actual shaft this time. Intel is just barely into their Meteor Lake cycle, which has a NPU (AI) type of processor, but not enough for Copilot+. The Meteor chips are essentially obsolete after only a few months - assuming the ARM emulation is even close to what is being reported. It may take intel a year or more to catch up. Computer manufacturers are rumored to already be abandoning Meteor Lake after just a month or two into their release cycle. (I just got a Meteor Lake computer, and I am happy with it as it is a dual monitor laptop, which is a significant upgrade for me - if I was only after performance, I would not have bought the ML chipped device.)

My Meteor Lake device, I have to keep propped up for air circulation, and it still heat limits from time to time. Not really an issue for my use, but the fans are noticeable when it gets to the heat limit. For the ARM device, I suspect I can stuff it back in the cubby I have and may never hear the fans.

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We are getting close to a time when any laptop can run any app, and no more being stuck in PC intel, PC AMD, PC ARM, and maybe even Mac (assuming Apple steps up and buys one of the emulators which run on Apple and makes x86 - and now likely ARM - emulation internal).

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I just saw one potential hitch, Qualcomm is being or may be sued by ARM for not following their license agreement correctly, but these things usually play out with exchange of cash before consumer's are affected.