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I definitely would be forced to retire. I hope that everyone remembers Eric before you spend all of your profits. Also, a special Thank You to Judy for her pristine Moderation and all of the rest of you who reach out so generously to help those of us in need. I couldn't do this without all of you.

No, the losses in year of death are handled like any other year. Any capital losses that are unused (those that would carryfwd if the person lived) are lost. They die with the decedent.

Copied from Forbes: “For a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.” — Winston Churchill “Income tax returns are the most imaginative fiction being written today.” — Herman Wouk “I am proud to be paying taxes in the United States. The only thing is I could be just as proud for half of the money.” — Arthur Godfrey “A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money.” — G. Gordon Liddy “The taxpayer: that’s someone who works for the federal government, but doesn’t have to take a civil service examination.” — Ronald Reagan “The income tax created more criminals than any other single act of government.” — Barry Goldwater “Collecting more taxes than is absolutely necessary is legalized robbery.” —Calvin Coolidge “This is too difficult for a mathematician. It takes a philosopher. The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax.” — Albert Einstein “The difference between death and taxes is death doesn’t get worse every time Congress meets.” — Will Rogers “In 1790, the nation which had fought a revolution against taxation without representation discovered that some of its citizens weren’t much happier about taxation with representation.” — Lyndon B. Johnson “Why does a slight tax increase cost you two hundred dollars and a substantial tax cut save you thirty cents?” — Peg Bracken I'm smiling but I don't feel any wealthier

I don't see anything on my friend Google about a blanket change in the dates that estimates are due, nor do I see anything on the IRS website. I am getting my hair done tomorrow, I will ask my hairdresser.

“Don’t steal, the government does not accept the competition.” Unknown

"Everything is bigger in TEXAS!" Oh, you said TAXES....oops Tom Longview, TX

Honestly for the last several years, my experience once I have reached an IRS employee has been satisfactory. Does it take too long to get someone on the phone ? Yes it does. Does it take too long for them to find an answer or to change something in one of their programs? Yes it does. However given the old systems they are still working with that don't share information, I think they are doing the best that they can under difficult circumstances.

Upon sale, the partnership *usually* provides a worksheet for reporting the sale. This is separate from the K-1 (although sometimes appended) and also separate from any brokerage Schedule D-style reporting. In the worksheet, information is provided for determining LTCG, Ordinary Income, Form 4797 sale of business property items, and more. Look for that.

By far my favorite satire site is The Babylon Bee. A recent parody news story pictured one of them with a bar code on their head with the following explanation “To make purchasing congresspeople easier and faster for lobbyists, congresspeople will now have barcodes printed on their foreheads to be conveniently scanned at newly installed self-checkout machines.” The article in and of itself is funny, but the video “News Bulletin” is hilarious. I’d post a link, but it probably violates a few terms of our forum.

Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, TAX it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." — Ronald Reagan

"Go to the ATX forum, idiot."

But we have always done it that way with Turbo-Tax. Depreciation, what is that?

G2R Thanks for sharing this disaster with us. It certainly puts a different perspective on whether or not to use IP Pins

Treat these as distributions to shareholders, unless you can convince them to repay the business.

But not unexpected or surprising.

That's correct. What this means is that the final 1040 can show up to a $3,000 loss (just like usual) and any remaining loss carryover is lost. The planning opportunity mentioned is where a surviving spouse can sell capital assets having a gain in that year of death so that the otherwise unused losses would offset those gains. Example: your client is allowed $3K of losses allowed in the current year and $25K losses unused that are going to be lost. The taxpayer (prior to death) or surviving spouse any time during that year, if filing MFJ, could have sold other capital assets having GAINS up to that $25K with no additional tax effect. If single, that client could have done that in prior years or in the final year prior to death to use up the losses so that they aren't lost. For a single taxpayer where someone has a POA and is aware of the situation, that person could so initiate such a sale of capital asset prior to the taxpayer's death.

No matter how many people they hire, it won't improve significantly until they invest in new infrastructure. I had to be transferred three times, over two hours, to reach the person who could access the platform needed to fix the issue. Once I got to the right person, it took 10 minutes to resolve the issue.

Room & Board does NOT qualify for the AOC, but it does qualify to make 529 Plan distributions non-taxable. Way too many details in all the different education benefits!!

On that theme, a favorite of mine is "THE IRS" without the space, is "THEIRS" and that's how they see it!

GOOD question and one reason I detest those %^&Y* things.

There is a particular schedule they want ES payments made, with specific percentages by Date X. Miss that, and there are underpayment penalties. For one year, you could protest based on unequal income (large distributions in December due to investments), but after a year or two, they will expect the taxpayer to expect those distributions. You could try the 2210 with unequal income distribution. I've used that a time or two for clients and gotten penalties waived. But it's not guaranteed. As for getting a refund, that's only dependent on the total paid. Think of it this way: client's total tax is $9,000, and as self-employed they make zero ES payments until January, at which time they pay in $10,000. They'll get a refund on tax, yes, but they will also have penalties for not having paid in anything the previous April, June, and September.

Well, it clearly wasn’t bar codes. Now we have advanced to QR codes. And we have to use QR codes to set up MFA just so we can log into our software. That’s clearly the work of the devil.

These PTPs are notorious for showing losses year after year yet making nice distributions so investors think they are making money. It's return of capital, lowering basis and adding to the surprise gains when they eventually sell. At least they can take those suspended losses at the end, mitigating the tax bite a bit. Always check that the K-1 is in the taxpayer's Soc Sec number and not in an IRA, in which case you don't have to do anything except alert the client that the custodian may have some UBI reporting.

When these K1s are sold, either partially or completely, the broker will normally show the initial investment cost, but the K1 will have attachments showing both a basis adjustment and an ordinary income component of the gain or loss. The basis adjustment increases the gain and the ordinary income component will decrease the gain on the Sch D and also be reported on the 4797 (as Catherine already noted). On 8949, you will use adjustment codes BO to net the two adjustments so the Sch D gain is correct. You can do this even if you're reporting totals from the 1099-B. And the state gain or loss is almost always different, so you'll need an adjustment on the state return, if there's a state income tax. When I see these investments by a client, I always warn them that their tax prep bill will be higher every year that they own them and a lot higher when the sell them.

“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.” Margaret Thatcher "A tax is a fine for doing well, a fine is a tax for doing wrong." Mark Twain "A person doesn't know how much he has to be thankful for until he has to pay taxes on it." Ann Landers "Worried about an IRS audit? Avoid what's called a red flag. That's something the IRS always looks for. For example, say you have some money left in your bank account after paying taxes. That's a red flag!" Jay Leno

“The art of taxation consists of plucking the goose so as to obtain the most feathers with the least amount of hissing.” Jean-Baptiste Colbert

I truly asked my hairdresser yesterday and she said that I was doing just fine. She is self-employed too.

I just bought a new computer to run W11 and had the old hard drive cloned over. Quickbooks Desktop 2019 still works fine on it. But like Catherine, I kept my old W10 machine just in case any issues arise with any software in the future. I plan to run it about every week to keep it updated until Oct 2025 (and beyond if I decide to take advantage of the 1-year extension I keep hearing about) Then I will just run it offline if necessary.

I would also be lost without this board. Thank you to Eric for keeping us going, & to Judy for moderating. You can make your donation automatic - annual, quarterly, monthly. Check the Donate link!

i have QB Pro 2019 on Win 11 with no problems. I use it only for my personal business accounting so cannot speak to any potential issues with payroll or other updates. In fact, I don't think it even updates any longer but it serves my purpose.

I just got it. Sent an email to my Congressman telling him if the rule goes into effect on July 1, I will not vote for him again. Tom Longview, TX

Copied from the Tax Advocate's Mid Year Report to Congress: "One longstanding filing season challenge that remains unresolved is lengthy delays in resolving identity theft cases. There are two categories of identity theft cases. One involves returns that IRS return processing filters flag as potential identity theft; the IRS flagged about 2.1 million such returns. In these cases, the IRS sent a letter to taxpayers notifying them they had to authenticate their identities before receiving their refunds. The IRS typically takes several months to resolve these cases. In the second category of identity theft cases, a thief has stolen a taxpayer’s identity and filed a tax return using the taxpayer’s name and Social Security number. These taxpayers are victims and may also be experiencing the effects of identity theft beyond the context of their tax returns. Their cases are referred to the IRS’s Identity Theft Victim Assistance (IDTVA) unit for resolution. As of the end of the filing season, the IRS had about: 387,000 IDTVA cases in inventory, and the cases were taking an average of about 20 months to resolve. “These delays disproportionately affect vulnerable populations dependent on their refunds to meet basic living expenses,” the report says. In fiscal year (FY) 2023, 69% of affected taxpayers had adjusted gross incomes at or below 250% of the Federal Poverty Level." Sometimes my mind really struggles to understand this stuff

Umm, I thought the purpose of all this was to eliminate waste. Isn't paying people not to work somewhat wasteful? Just a short time ago we were elated that IRS finally got funding to increase staff so phone wait and processing times would decrease and audits would increase in areas we knew needed auditing. TAS was the place we went to when all else failed. Taxpayers are really going to feel this. They won't be able to get questions answered or problems solved, all the while knowing that others are cheating and getting away with it.

If the investment account was joint and originally funded jointly, half of the carryover losses belong to the surviving spouse and can be used on his or her future returns. The deceased spouse's half is lost forever after the final return. Many of us still have clients who lost a fortune in the 2008 market crash, pulled out of the market altogether, and will have to live to be 200 to use up the losses at $3k per year. That $3k limit has been around since 1978 and never adjusted for inflation.

We started advising our clients months ago about this change and, surprisingly, some of them already knew about it. Why make things harder on ourselves by not steering our clients in the right direction? I have never been in favor of paper checks and especially now with the erratic service of the Postal Service.

Send him to IRS DirectPay so he can get a payment confirmation: https://www.irs.gov/payments

"In 1867, William M. Springer refused to pay the federal taxes he owed, resulting in one of the first tax cases heard by the U.S. Supreme Court. Before the matter went to the Supreme Court in 1874, how did the government collect the tax due?" In January 1867, after Springer refused to pay the $5,279.78 owed (including tax and penalty), the tax collector levied property in Springfield, Illinois, that Springer owned. The property was advertised and sold at public auction on March 15, 1867. The matter eventually landed in the U.S. Supreme Court (Springer v. U.S.), with Springer claiming that the tax was a direct tax and therefore unconstitutional, and that the seizure and sale of his property deprived him of his property without due process of law. The Supreme Court rejected both arguments and affirmed the federal government's power to levy and collect income taxes, including through the seizure and sale of property. "

" The first nattional income tax in the United States was enacted in 1862 to help finance the war. It started as a 3% tax on incomes over $600 and 5% on incomes over $10,000. These rates were later increased, and the ceiling for the lower tax rate was lowered in 1864. " The Grant Administration repealed these taxes in 1872

Thank you, Abby, for the great reminder. The IRS must RECEIVE the amendment by 10/13/2025. I've been forgetting that lately with e-filing. If you have to paper file, between the USPS and the IRS brokenness, who knows when the IRS will receive any given piece of mail !!!

He can file an amended return at any time. He can receive a refund if he files within 3 years, by 10/13/2025.

There have been a lot of disasters which postponed the deadline to November, but certainly not for everyone (so far https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/tax-relief-in-disaster-situations

Either they were paid late or if AGI over 75/150 110% was not paid.

"We had the local politician over for dinner. The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons."

I could get into this discussion because I prepare Partnership returns; but I won't. I believe we are talking here about the multitude of small limited partnerships that so many of our clients are coming in with this year. Many of them were late and I had more than one amendment because of it. When I prepare a Partnership, I have to have it filed by March 15 or file for an extension. I get my K-1s out on time for my active partners. Why is it that brokers seem to have forever to deliver?

Yes, there is usually a separate chart of state adjustments (since these are sold all over). Forgot about that; thanks, @Abby Normal. Lucky me, as I haven't seen one of these in a while. I think everyone they got foisted off onto... umm, I mean sold to, yeah, sold to... either dumped them or was elderly and has passed on. I also pointed out how much more the tax prep bill was and compared that to the distributions they got (usually not particularly favorable). Not investment advice! Just cash flow analysis.

I think they call it the sausage making in DC. I call it Halloween - Senators go to the doors of lobbyists and hold out a bag looking for cash to be put in. The more cash the AICPA can put in the senator's candy bag, the more chance the senator will make changes to the sausage recipe. Not appealing to watch.... Tom Longview, TX

The 6% penalty applies each year the excess contribution remains in the account. The excess and associated earnings must be distributed before the penalty disappears.

Tom beat me to the RIGHT answer!

Put your house in a trust Buy an SUV Move to Canada Have another child

What's the standard deduction for Charity? ...for __________? TikTok But my co-worker's refund is bigger! I'm self-employed; how much will I owe? How big is my refund? Ltr CP2000