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The law is the law. And until the law is officially changed, we must abide by the law.

"Them" don't tell me how to do my job. Penalties apply. If it's repealed and they back up the truck, everyone will get their money back.

Naveen: 1. Don't use the business address anymore for ANYONE. 2. Get a PO Box so that any info goes to the PO Box. 3. If you use your address, make sure it always says "In Care Of" 4. If he was audited, use your POA and tell the Auditor to FIX it. Give the Auditor the correct address. 5. Get another big check from your client.... RIch

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We are in the limbo of the IRS saying you can file without self-assessing the penalty but the IRS may assess the penalty for you... BUT they can not enforce collection of the penalty (which is not new).

Wait a minute! Everyone is jumping to conclusions without considering two things. 1. If a lien had been recorded on Naveen's home, the misfiling could have occurred at the county recorder's office. 2. Tax liens do not not attach to a specific property, but to All properties in the county of filing, And to any future properties. A lien attaches to all of your assets (such as property, securities, vehicles) and to future assets acquired during the duration of the lien. Liens on business also attach to accounts receivables. The lien notice went to Naveen's address, because that was the last address of record. If the address were a PO Box it would not mean that the PO Building had a lien on it. Naveen should check with her county recorder just to be sure under whose name the lien was filed.

What if he was a renter at that property? Something seems out of place here. Even for the IRS, this level of stupidity is unusual. They had to check the title of the property they are putting a lien on. Tom Newark, CA

Line 61. See, that was a schmuck thing right there.

However, once they assess the penalty they can take it from any refund due. So those preparers who advised their clients to ignore the question on line 65 might be explaining next year why they did not get the refund they were expecting.

And I bet they don't. So we all look like incompetent schmucks compared to the preparers who advised all their clients owing SRP to ignore the question on line 65. And some days I feel like one, too.

Since many deaf-eared clients will not timely file; we try contacting them but if unreachable I extend anyway. I don't know if one-time IRS OPR director Karen Hawkins' opinion about not filing extensions without clients' permission ever became a 230 reg, but they don't enforce it anyway (as Patton once said about the army - "They have their agenda; I have mine"). IRS' is to impede business and take their money; mine is to facilitate it and prevent that. The only thing I see we can do is avoid it (file the extensions). Until not so long ago, you could write and expect reasonably quick replies from Audit before Collections got around to you. No more! My last two outing were disasters: (1) Took 5 months and many letters proving they cashed my check. (2) My error - filed 2014 payroll on a 2013 941 form; wrote many letters, they billed additional 2013 tax, wanted new 2013 W-2s, and listed 2014 as delinquent. Lucked out calling the Taxpayer Advocate and got a sharp agent who asked for POA and my letters. I faxed, she fixed - 15 minutes. Got a laugh when she read the IRS letters and confirmed my opinion of IRS, declaring "This is absurd!" (Call your state's TA - when they're good, they're very, very good). As to approval of extension changes, it depends on whose ox (clientele) is gored. I don't like it wholeheartedly, halfheartedly, or any other way because I have 1065s, but no 1120s; those with many corporate clients likely feel the opposite. But I really don't like the new payroll deadline; it's all I can do to get the info by 1-31, much less correct wrong addresses or numbers employers don't have (yes, yes; I know they should have this, but as a practical matter some don't, and unless you can afford to emulate the "Soup Nazi" attitude, you have to suck it up).

And GOOD LUCK to you, Naveen! How unutterably nasty for you - and how unforgivably STUPID for the IRS to lien the wrong property.

IRS has a centralized lien unit, https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1468.pdf. Their phone number and address are on page 2 . hope this helps, lynn

This is totally discombobulated. Taxpayer is not on title so this should be easily (sorry, maybe not so easily, I forgot who we are dealing with) corrected. No one is attaching your house, once the facts are out, but this is their first attempt at getting their 60K.

Change "had to" to "were supposed to" and you have it. But they didn't, they screwed up, and because it was their screw-up, they will be even more recalcitrant than usual about fixing it.

If not, call the Taxpayer Advocate and have them place a 911 emergency help on your account.

So true. Somehow the errors just pop out in final form. Weird. So it's NOT just me, then? That's a relief!

I do my best proofreading after I hit Submit

I can vouch for Pioneer's ineptness. They were put in charge of PA's amnesty program that ended June 19th. I understand that a lot of the issues with the program stemmed from the State's own utterly ridiculous ineptness. But Pioneer did not help the cause. PA and Pioneer together sent out 100,000 notices to delinquent taxpayers. Some of those delinquencies went back into the 1990s. Some of those notices were to my clients for whom my office has been filing and confirming reporting and payments for a great long time. The State, somewhere in the interim, changed over to a new system and did not bring over the history with them. So many, many of those notices were in error. But for that far back, can I expect my client to keep those records and cancelled checks to prove to the State that there is no delinquency? Why do I implicate Pioneer in this mess? Pioneer was the muscle behind trying to collect this stuff - and often times in a less than friendly manner - and Pioneer had no interest in being logical nor interested in coming to a reason solution to the problem. I have a notice still on my desk for 18 periods of non-filed quarterly sales tax reports dating back to October 2006. I can not do anything with it because every time I pick it up, I can not see it through the anger I am feeling. This client passed away in early 2006; we filed all of the paperwork to close the business and we cancelled the sales tax license and confirmed that cancelling within just a couple months of his passing. We, and the client's widow, have not heard one word about unfiled reports until the widow received this notice from Pioneer dated 04/28/17. Pioneer collecting for the IRS? This ought to be fun.....................................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Double your price. Lose half your clients. Earn the same amount of money doing half as much work.