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It's a good thing IRS makes me take that 2 hours ethics every year (not to mention my hardshell Baptist parson preachin' hellfire and brimstone) when there's stoled gold layin' ever'where. I just slogged through a long, tedious return, took a $400 retirement savings credit (even though T/P made a $30K pension withdrawal in 2016), ATX allowed it, and my assistant caught it. ATX does this every year and I have to remind myself to watch out for it -- now gotta re-fix the dang thing. I could maybe understand if it was a previous year's withdrawal, but it's right here on the current year form and there's no red error message. Can't figure out why there isn't an automatic stop on it; I've seen it before (on other software too) where it went through and somebody got the credit. Apparently IRS is not mindin' the store on this.

That is so true. Another returning client, only W-2s last year, just confessed that he was going to DIY (why do they do that?!), "but I bought a house". We have learned what that means. Well, itemizing doesn't help him. Yes, I will do the Sch A anyway. It's easier than explaining. Yes, I'll go over it at pickup. But, wait, what's this? Oh, I cashed out my retirement. No. That's not what he did. It's a 1099-B. They don't know what they don't know.

I get bored doing easy returns. And, I don't want the dumbest 30% of the population unless they are really, really nice to work with. My clientele needs my advice for next year and not just forms filled out for last year. I've been assuming I could shrink my business in my old age via attrition, but my numbers are up a bit each year from referrals from my current clients. I will have a career for as long as I want to work!

ff buckets of bits on the bus, ff buckets of bits, take one down, short it to ground, fe buckets of bits on the bus! fe buckets of bits on the bus, fe buckets of bits, take one down, short it to ground, fd buckets of bits on the bus! We made the mistake of teaching the girls to count in hexadecimal, and they proceeded to sing that song on the way up to VT on vacation one year. We were astounded at how far they got before losing interest. We think it was the challenge of keeping track in the new counting system.

I'm with you there. But I have found that there is a huge difference between being happy with the pretty new light fixture and being disgusted with the tax returns that are now completed. The latter brings very little satisfaction, and it has to be done every year, taking tons of time you could spend doing other things you enjoy more. Plenty of my clients came the first year saying, "I'm only going to come this year because of special situation X; hope you don't mind" who later (usually on pickup) then say, "This was SO much easier - may I come back next year?" They realize they did NOT waste three lovely Sunday afternoons wrangling with the doggone forms (that of course took me about 45 minutes total), and that the fee I charge is well worth the missing headache(s).

Good to know, but that's not free. They have to pay the $55 plus tax and then sit there and do all the work themselves and question if they missed something. Plus they need to make sure they retain access to a copy of their return for the future of they have to pay. I don't charge clients for copies.

My personal favorites are the "Can I ask you a simple question?" ones where the "simple question" is "How do you do payroll?" Yeah, the *question* is simple - but the answer takes three weeks! lol

As a DIY plumber, electrician, and carpenter I understand the desire to do things yourself. But knowing when you're in over your head, can be quickly realized, so going to a professional is what most people will do. I tend to think this is true in preparing tax returns.

Sad to say the free file revolution has begun impacting my client list. Here even my local community bank is pushing Turbo Tax. I'll be packing it in in a few more years and luckily don't need the income but it sorta saddens me after so many years of hard work.

We need to keep in mind that the "easy" returns for us are not necessarily the "easy" returns for a lot of the taxpayers out there! Regardless of how the software phrases the questions, some taxpayers will still misinterpret the instructions. I have seen "Turbo-taxers" add together their FWT, FICA, and Medicare and enter the total as "Federal Taxes withheld" because they decided that was the correct amount of taxes they paid in, regardless of what was in the various boxes on their W-2. I have seen them add their qualified dividends to their ordinary dividends and report that total as dividends earned. We hve been doing taxes so long that what is "easy" for us stlll presents a challenge to many of our fellow citizens, who will never be able to get parts of their returns done corectly by themselves regqrdless of future software innovations, IMHO.

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A friend messaged me that one of the online softwares wanted to charge an extra $35 to add a Sch CEZ and SE to a return. She wanted to know how much I would charge to do the whole return. I'm sure she thought that I would quote her a lower amount. WTH? I just said I was too far into tax season to take on anything else.

This looks like as good a place as any - could it BE any more cumbersome to enter assets in ATX? It's a space ship up in here. And it's as if you can see one star in this whole universe at a time. The scrolling. The trying to widen the place you want to see. The fighting with the date. Come back here, why do you want to jump to the day, let me enter a month, for the love of God...

My last client who had a local broker that wasn't up to snuff....no, a guy who pretended to be a broker....had a nice racket going on...a local ponzi scheme that although did enough damage, wasn't allowed to continue it. Hate saying this even today, but after my discovery and a lot of heat from law enforcement sources, he committed suicide. I still feel bad, however, there's a lot of investors out there that feel even worse than I do. My client was the fortunate one who was told to try to get all of his money back (plus fake earnings), which he did, while the powers to be was assessing the situation. Funny thing about this is that my client tried to warn his friends who referred him to the pretend "broker" that it was a ponzi scheme, however, several and one couple in particular, stands out in my mind as they chose to keep their money with the "broker" because it was making so much (on paper). The couple's professions were nothing to sneeze at. One was a college professor, the other a nuclear scientist. Nothing shocks me any more!

What is nice about this is that --- it is just like reading the IRS instructions //// /s - oh, so concise and easy to follow ... Many people (f they actually thought about it) would find the cost of the "program", time spent reading instructions (even interview) and still "wondering" if they have it covered would be BETTER off with a PAID Preparer. Less stress, worry and a number of benefits for future occurrences. But then , people are strange (includes me) and just get it in their head that DIY is less costly and better ---- how many times have I been "proved wrong"? Usually to have extra or more costs to "fix" what was done. There is hope for even the knowledgeable client, as they have better things to spend their time on. ///// They just need to learn that!!!!

I lost one who's semi-retired and going to go DIY. (I think this is only my second client to go to DIY; the other also retired and had prepared his own returns when much younger so is giving it a try again. Both those people no longer have NYS NRPY returns, paid off their mortgages, one has kids done with college now, simpler financial lives.) And, another semi-retired couple who'd moved away, now found a preparer closer to home. Both stayed with me a long time after their lives changed. The couple took a lot of time with questions & calculations all year, so as much as I like them, I'm really better off without them. But, a teacher client recommended a couple she knows from work. And, a biz client that was himself recommended by another biz client has formed a new partnership and is bringing me more biz returns. So, I have as many clients and will make more money.

For $55 you can download Tax Act which will do any kind of 1040 and one state return. If you have no Schedule C, it is less than $55. Since I am no longer a professional tax preparer, I use Tax Act to do my return and my two daughters and their spouses'. The best way is to fill out the forms, then go to the interview method to make sure you haven't overlooked anything. Then try e-filing which will catch anything else you have overlooked

I love when codes use the hexadecimal alphabet.

Verification Code can only be: Hyphens Numbers 0 through 9 and Uppercase letters A through F

Many free programs either don't provide the option to file the state return, or they charge for that. Not expecting that, I suspect many filers simply don't file the state or put of for later and probably forget or never get to it. It baffles my mind that someone would use a free file program to avoid paying yet leave hundreds or thousands of dollars in a state refund uncollected...

I read an article that H&R is experimenting with using Watson, the computer that competed successfully on Jeopardy, to prepare tax returns. I am thinking that the end is in sight.

I have a full time person that does all of that for me. But I make the client understand up front that I charge her out at $55 per hour and that fee will be added to the tax prep fee. I actually like shoe box clients. That is a profit center for me. If I did not have a person like that the client would understand that I would charge $90 per hour to do that kind of work. They could either pay me to do it or take it home and bring it back summarized.

Two weeks ago I had a guy come in with their two Forms SSA-1099s and one 1099-R. He was not new, so he knows very well that I don't overcharge. Be that as it may, he said, "I tried this myself and I think I'm getting a small refund, but I don't know WTH I'm doing." His refund was actually about $2,500. Of course, I went up ten bucks for listening to the confession. People will do anything to save money here. Of course, they will blow it on the Golden Corral buffet in Cookeville, or the 72 inch TV, but I digress. I would like to think all the DIYers that screw up will get letters, but they won't, and they don't come back. I would like to think all of them figure out they don't know WTH they're doing, like my guy here. They won't. Did I win him over forever? Nope. What is my point here? I'm not sure, it's Sunday, and I've had too much coffee.

In my opinion, for those comfortable navigating a computer, with a little financial knowledge and a more basic return, free file is the way to go. With that said, at my normal day job, a couple of folks ask for my assistance with their free file. It can be tedious navigating through the myriad of questions. Even then, many times the return does not populate correctly. There is a segment of my client base who can very easily use free file and I mention that to them before I begin their return. Every year they say the same thing, "I want to make sure its completed correctly and I'd rather pay you to do that." While free file options are becoming more sophisticated, I tend to think we are still at least several years (at least 5 to 10? I hope) from it having an impact. Maybe I'm naive?

Christian is right. Don't underestimate the power of computing. Soon it will be a program that will ask the same questions I ask my clients. How many W2s do you have? How many 1099s forms do you have? Did you collect unemployment? Do you attend a university? do you have any children? Do you have anything other tax forms? A LOT of people will answer question 1 with a 2 or 3 forms and maybe 1 to the second question. At that point the program will open 1040, w-2 and 1099 input sheets and will not ask more questions. It will complete 1040 and efile it. That's what I call competition. HR is anticipating that and now it offers free filing for a lot of people. The future is only a couple of years away.

I enter it on the 8283 as: Name: Goodwill, Salvation Army and others (17 pickups) Address: various, zip code = same as in T/P address Date of Donation: 12/31/16 Then put in the date of purchase (varioius), cost , FMV = Total, method = thrift shop pricing. The only wrinkle is when the total FMV exceeds $5000, then you need to report as multiple donations to avoid the "appraisal" of used clothing and household items.

Christian, Sometimes the "free filing" can be our best friend. Just take a look at some of the outlandish questions that Turbo Tax users ask at the Turbo Tax Answer exchange. They want to inlcude their child's W-2 on their own return to "save him the trouble of having to file himself." They want to know where to put the 1099-MISC income they received on the Free File 1040 EZ. They want to subtract their gambling losses directly from their winnings on line 21. They want to know if having cancer insurance constitutes "being insured for the whole year." Ane then, after they file, they want to know what to do with the other W-2 that just came in. The level of frustration among the "free filers" is rising and they are beginning to respect what people such as you and I can do for them in terms of filing a complete and legal return. Don't be too anxious to "pack it in." I think the Millenials will need us more than any other generation in history. IMHO.

Early in the season I was alert to the fact that we are now supposed to enter verification codes if they appear on the W2. Then I forgot about them and just woke up this week and started searching for them. Not easy to find! Some W-2s have them only on one copy. I make a habit of zeroing in on the bottom copy so likely missed a zillion of them. I have found them on some ADP forms but not others. The number itself is a bear to enter--a million digits, mixed alpha and numeric so you can't use the number pad. I wonder if this great experiment is going to fall flat because preparers and likely self-prepareds are ignoring the codes. They will blame us of course (another avenue to impose big fines?). Anyone else guilty of not religiously entering these codes?

I love the ones that don't realize you have caller I.D. who call and ask things like "where would you put the amount shown in such and such box on the the tax return?" or "could you tell me what it means if there is a number 1 in box 7 on my retirement form?" Come on, seriously.

My local CVS had 4 cashiers at any time. When they were told that machines were going to do their jobs, they laughed. Today, there is only 1 cashier and about 6 machines and there is no more lines waiting for cashiers. At the airport, there are about 50 machines doing someone's job. I agree that we are going to be servicing "the dumbest 30% of the population" and then we are going to runt because they are so stupid.

I have a client who produced an excel spreadsheet which will do his taxes exceptionally close to what any tax return will do. He spent a massive number of hours going through everything to produce. I have no clue why he comes to me and I assume he'll do it himself eventually. Unless your clients have something complicated like a trust / estate, business / farm, rental properties - the basic 1040 client is going away for good eventually. Anyone 45 or younger is computer savvy enough to do the basic return themselves. It's not a great business model to make a living doing tax returns for the dumbest 30% of the population. It works but they generally don't make enough to pay a large fee.

Good idea. Let's be optimistic until the big software companies take our clients. Of course we are going to keep our complicated returns or business clients but the easy ones will fly away. Clients can print their returns on paper or save them on a jump drive in PDF formats or they can simply pick up the phones and say a few words to a machine and a week later have the tax return on their mailboxes from the IRS. I love to prepare easy returns while the TP is on the smart phone texting and chatting with their friends.

And then there's this article in the NY Times the other day (2/17). Those darn Turbo Tax guys. How to Fill Out Your Tax Return Like a Pro - The New York Times.url

sorry to correct you but local can also be Yonkers.

Right now I have two corporate returns that needs the books done before attacking the tax return, one is a returning client and it takes me 4 to 6 hours to create the P&L and B&S, this year I realized charging $200 to $400 of extra work is not worth it for me.

There is no letter o in the verification code.So if you see 0, it will always be a zero.

I don't allow shoe boxes. They can at least add their medical and everything else and write the total for me. No time for the extra work. Plus I hate trying to figure out if the medical is actually paid, an initial bill or what.

The use of the letter O and zero should be outlawed. I haven't seen any with the code in the name box, and at least Drake has the input separated into 4 character blocks that jump from one to the next so I didn't have to think about whether or not to enter the hyphen. As for Pacun's idea of requiring the input in the software, or having it generate an error or reject message, only a small number of my clients' W-2s have the code so the software would need an acceptable input such as "no code" down the road when this becomes a required input.

I absolutely charge more for a shoe box than a well sorted/prepared set of information. No question about that and I make the client aware of that beforehand. If they choose to bring me a shoe box, they will be charged more. Fortunately, I don't have many of those.

Figuring out if that teeny, tiny character is an 8 or a B is a pain. I wear my reading glasses to prepare tax returns, but those 16 digits are really tough to read. Do I include the hyphens? I've done it both ways. And, I know I missed one originally, but spotted it when noticing that one of their other W-2s had the code. And, have you seen the one where it's buried in the name/address box?! Big companies have employee numbers anyway, so it took some time for me to realize where they'd hidden the verification code. Box 9 or within the name/address, right? What a stupid system.

Yes, you can have both forms, certainly, I will add that If tenant pays farmer a flat rate (if farmer's pay is not based upon the production of the tenant) you'd use Sch E instead of Form 4835. You probably know that, but somebody else might need that info later on.

We will never forget to enter it once they implement and force software companies to require it when efiling. I think it is a good idea and I am entering them if available. I am also entering Driver's license information. I know this is not required now, but it is coming down the pipe. I think both are good ideas and I like to see them implemented. I have used the same PIN ever since I started my first efile and I have been asking for school records and medical records for dependents for several years.

Thanks for the reminder, Sara. I missed one on one client's return that was already filed and missed the code on my own husband's W-2. Hope he doesn't fire me as his preparer. lol

I just had a client tell me about his "advisor" that told hi8m to issue quit claim deeds for his personal residence and a vacation home to his son to transfer the property now before he dies and it is forced into probate. Nothing was mentioned about step up in bassis upon death if put into T/P estate or a Grantor Trust that would be lost if deeded to son before T/P death. I told him to get a new advisor!!

thank you !! I love the make an appointment and method of payment - and Marie - awesome - my husband said don't watch that drivel and I said wait - and he's like ya, ya! don't people do that all the time and you can;t get thru the grocery and your kids wait and you feel so important cuz people want you! for free! Now I just need to create a product to sell besides tax returns for all that genius in my head... D

o oh my - good reminder - I doubt mine are in either - including my husbands for prior years - will double check... but too late for those filed

My stomach is churning over these stories of greedy crooks taking advantage of innocent people. Worst I saw was an elderly lady who came in with a stack of 1099Rs and had no idea what they were for. Turned out her advisor had sold her an annuity and every single month cashed it in and sold her another one. Big commissions on the sales, big penalties to the lady for early cashouts. We called the state insurance commissioner and the offense was so egregious everything got fixed. I have noticed that when I tell a client to contact their advisor to find out why their fees are so high, or ask about what the heck is this investment, or whatever seems to me to be questionable in their account, I will often get a call from that advisor. Client likely called and said "my tax person told me to ask ...." Sometimes they defend themselves, sometimes we get to talk about the person's financial situation and the advisor is grateful to get a better picture (e.g., hey, this person needs income, not tax-free investments that carry risk, they have minimal tax liability as it is). I believe some of these people then do a better job for the client because they know someone is looking over their shoulder. Sad that the fiduciary rule is about to be tabled before it goes into effect.

I agree with Tom and I'm not going to tell anyone not to pay that penalty based on a couple of newspaper articles without seeing an official pronouncement from the IRS. All the change means so far is that the return won't reject. For now I'm going by the page below that the IRS updated on Wed 2/15 that was posted here in another topic: https://www.irs.gov/tax-professionals/aca-information-center-for-tax-professionals For those that don't click links:

What are you all going to do when a client comes in and says they heard this on the news and they are not going to pay the penalty? We discussed it at my office (OK, wife and I discussed) and we decided that the law is still the law and until the penalty tax is removed from the tax code, we are going to file the return according to the tax code. If they want to walk to a big box that is up to them. I hate losing clients, but this crap just doesn't feel right to me. I just can't stomach the whole mess this thing has become. Tom Newark, CA

QB and SCorps are different animals than the dreaded ACA, but here goes I believe you should treat the subsidy repayment as you would any normal health insurance premium in the year (re)paid. See "Don't miss the health insurance deduction if you're self employed" on the IRS.gov website. HTH and stay cool